if lincoln can’t get it, jackson sure will
Do you like good music? There’s nothing like getting out to hear it live, but if you’re reading this blog, my guess is you’ve downloaded a pretty healthy collection of live recordings, too. It’s an interesting hunger. With an artist like Taylor Hicks, we know the fix is out there, but the supply line is tenuous. Unlike an established mainstream artist, his commercial recordings are few. Unlike an established indie artist, he doesn’t have a set-up for openly feeding us live recordings. It may be awhile before this is fixed, but I’d like to talk about supply and demand. I’ll start with something I read a few weeks ago that kind of surprised me.
This is Perry Farrell, formerly of Jane’s Addiction, but interviewed here by SPIN magazine at the start of the festival season because of his role in founding Lollapalooza. He’s talking about free downloading:
….. The problem is, we have one of the few products in the world that can be obtained for nothing. So how do you now make a living and secure your intellectual property? Congress should be helping us, but they’re not going to. …… We need to change the laws. We need to legitimize peer-to-peer sharing as a business model, because it’s already a business. If [the P2P companies] are going to make money on us, we should have a chance to make some money along with them.
What would you say to the people doing the free downloading?
If you don’t care what happens to music, keep downloading. Look at music and look at the polar caps — they’re melting at the same rate. If you hear garbage music on your radio station, you have only yourself to blame. If you don’t support the arts, that’s what you’re going to get. You’re going to get American Idol. It’s fine if you want to hear that, but I don’t.
Not sure that Farrell is talking just about downloads of live shows, but it got me thinking about what business arrangements were out there. Is peer-to-peer it, or what else? Plenty of artists are known to be “taper friendly” and have quite a bit up for free download at places like archive.org. Others are set up to offer live gigs for pay at their own web sites. For example, Tea Leaf Green is using both Snocap and BurnLounge (very cool resource - I’m seriously going to check this out more) to manage their sales. Widespread Panic is impressive in how quickly they get live shows available for sale. They’ve also got their stuff out at nugs.net, as do just about every other group you love live, such as Outformation and Perpetual Groove.
I’d love it if I could get Taylor Hicks’ live shows this way. My guess - and this is from a point of total ignorance about the business - is that it’s just not a possibility under his current contract. My guess is that major labels just don’t think this way - that it would be seen as competition with his own album (and frankly, it probably would be). But it’s cool to imagine a more just and open future.
or, to quote Farrell again:
So I’m going to try to do something about it. We’ll go out there and raise hell. Raise hell in a good way, I mean. We’ll party.
categories: biz, downloads, music
tags: live recordings, Perry Farrell, ptp distribution
posted by what at 03:00 am
I agree with this guy completely. I’ll take a listen to various artists if it’s available online, but will never save it. Just doesn’t seem like the right thing to do; although the temptation to do so is huge, I have to keep in mind these guys need cash in order to keep creating. My son finally gets it - he doesn’t like working for free either!
Live recordings would be so cool!
The tetonic musical plates are shifting and grinding furiously as we speak. Depending on the musical culture that you ascribe to, there are new ways of doing things.
It used to be that when Ben Harper and The Innocent Criminals went to a major label they were no longer considered a jam band by purists. Jam bands also promoted free taping of concerts because that is why you traveled with the jam. You had all the versions with changes and guest appearances on “Cortez the Killer”. Now jam fans are willing to purchase “end of show” dvds if they are hot off the press at the end of show. In many cases they are.
Lefsitz has proclaimed numerous times that the band/artist used to tour to promote the cd, but now the cd is basically the digital flyer for the tour. The money is in the merch. Ozzfest is not charging for tickets because (quick summary) the sponsers have their advertising and the bands have their merch.
He also had an interesting post on ipod ready cars. This is why I believe for festival, jam, or indie artists….professional (not synonymous with awful)sounding recordings need to continue to be made.
Ani DiFranco, Mason Jennings and my personal new favorite Ari Hest have had success with DIY recordings. Ari was actually featured and ultimately received a major record deal… here we go round again.
http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/hest/
Seriously check out his myspace, he is a very talented songwriter and the timbre and affect of his voice reminds me of…
Marc Broussard apparently didn’t make any money from Carencro, and is now pleased with his new deal at his new label. It’s still a tough time for musicians, minorities, the poor and women apparently. Good luck to all.
Did Perry F. actually say anything? I’m curious because this quote
Is stoopid.
So he’s blaming the consumer for poor music on the radio? That’s a stretch isn’t it? Why don’t we blame Perry who hasn’t put out anything mildly listenable in about 15 years. I can’t recall the last time I heard anything on the “radio” that caused me to pay attention unless it was the low wattage college station in the area, NPR or one of those online streaming sites.
Do I really want/need any of these multi-platinum artists roaming the airwaves? It is one of the big mysteries of my world why anyone even cares who is on the top of the charts and how many records they sold. To me - it’s almost like putting a target on their back that says “you won’t like them”.
I totally agree that it matters not at all who’s on the radio. It’s the least friendly format for learning about new artists and for enjoying the music you already know about.
What first hit me in the Farrell article was that someone into the live music scene would be so against free downloading, since so many artists make their stuff available. But I do feel that people deserve to be paid for their work, and so am interested in what business models work. Farrell mentions peer-to-peer, but there’s obviously a lot of other models that people are using. And offering some things free is part of that.
So I feel he’s right in seeing the need for ways to get money in the hands of the people who make the music, but wrong in seeing it as a radio issue. What I don’t know is whether his complaints about congress have any merits. Given that there are plenty of ways for bands to now offer their music for sale on-line, are free downloads really taking significant amounts of money out of the pocket of artists?
I wonder, for example, whether the free downloads of In Your Time has cut into the sale of that album, now that it’s available. I wonder why that wasn’t put up for paid download when interest arose.
I think TFH should get a SnoCap account and offer the silly thing for sale. Pretty simple to do eh? Why did that never happen?
It’s a crazy battle on the digital music landscape these days. A short list of players would include:
Snocap
Lala
Indie911
IndieHQ
LastFM
Pandora
For fun and excitement try this sucker out.
http://tun3r.com/ or the previously mentioned http://www.lala.com/
Forgot to metion CDBaby, CDPulse, IndieTunes, IndiePad, TarniusMusic blah blah blah. It’s getting harder and harder to find a record store out there ain’t it?
I appreciate you sharing this topic, what…
just wish i had more time at the moment to delve into your info and others’ posts…
thanks for synopsizing and recommending stuff (now and in the future) for us chronologically-challenged readers..
Whoops, and I forgot about
RCRD LBL - it appears that Perry had nothing to do with this. Hmm.
Here’s the deal….the genie is out of the bottle and no amount of opining is gonna get him back in. As with various industries who have succumbed to technology advances, the music industry HAS to understand that they are in the ENTERTAINMENT business and not the record selling business.
NO business has ever been successful in reversing the trend to progress. The music business HAS to look at re-inventing itself. Sticking their head in the sand and bitching about it ain’t gonna stop it.
Perry is simply foolish to whine about Congress to “regulate”…THAT, is surely a recipe for disaster.
The hypocritical nature of artists today astounds me. If they went all digital and away from CDs and packaging, how much more enviro friendly would they be? Surely, that would be more of an impact than Live Earth concerts.
(just noticed: wondering why d.d.’s musicmaven username isn’t linked to her (excellent) blog?)
I wonder too. I read or heard sometime before the spring tour that he was going to try to have live CD’s available at shows. I know that he was asked about it before the start of the tour and my take on his response was that it didn’t seem to make sense financially.
Maybe he’s wrestled or is wrestling with the ‘taper friendly’ versus ‘paid download’ route. Or maybe they’re not mutually exclusive, I don’t know.
I would like to think that individuals would be willing to pay a fair price for quality downloadable tracks. I know I sure would.
Don’t know why the “link” doesn’t show up on my name, but the site is http://www.musicmaven.wordpress.com.
I too, think Taylor is missing a prime opportunity concerning CDs, mp3 distribution and DVDs, but perhaps he’s holding back a bit due to the constrictions of his contract.
I’m just really shocked…shocked I tell you…at the lack of availability of artists downloads when the market is in such desire of them. Not to get all tin foil hat, but perhaps the “suits” understand precisely what the threat of that is and are prohibiting that kind of distribution. While I think that they can’t hold back the flood by their fingers in the dike, they certainly can slow the progression.
You know, we’re doing Live Lollapalooza donwloads too! http://www.livelollapalooza.com
Thanks for the heads up, curtain man. You guys at nugs.net have a cool resource there.